BRANDED
2:30 Sun Sep 28
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I can't imagine a single person thinks " oo I'd love to give some foreigners my job and dilute my share of public services to boot". No, they want more services, public jobs, handouts and their savings (if they ever manage to make any) to always grow irrespective of the business climate or competition from harder working less paid people from insignificant countries they've never really heard of and would never in a million years visit.
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Nurse Ratched
2:24 Sun Sep 28
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"If the Westminster (and EU) establishment had said : Good luck with the referendum, we'll respect your decision either way and work with you to make independence work" the Scots would have voted yes, resoundingly."
Wild, almost romantic conjecture.
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Nurse Ratched
2:22 Sun Sep 28
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Exactly, Branded.
Scots motivated by the Barnet formula.
Public sector workers, immigrants and unemployed motivated by the work and benefits stream that Labour says they will protect.
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Infidel
2:22 Sun Sep 28
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The Scots were intimidated into voting no.
If the Westminster (and EU) establishment had said : Good luck with the referendum, we'll respect your decision either way and work with you to make independence work" the Scots would have voted yes, resoundingly.
Instead they got nothing but threats: "if you vote yes we will cut you off, you won't be able to use the Pound, we will block your entry into the EU and turn you into an economic wasteland"
The political establishment bullied them. It was shameful.
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BRANDED
2:19 Sun Sep 28
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People lurch to where the money is mostly.
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Nurse Ratched
2:18 Sun Sep 28
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Almost nothing would give me greater pleasure to be wrong about politics. And other stuff.
But humans are depressingly predictable, and easy to work out if you pay attention.
See Scottish referendum result. I believe I told you how that would pan out.
Stick around, kid. You could learn a bit about politics and humans from me.
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Infidel
2:13 Sun Sep 28
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I agree that the country has lurched to the Left.
I agree that the Conservatives have also lurched to the Left, chasing the votes.
But I think the Left-Right divide is becoming less relevant as immigration and the EU become bigger issues for voters. These are not Left-Right issues.
I can definitely see white working class voters swinging from Labour to UKIP, especially if there is a defection or two from the Labour benches.
So Nurse, you may not be right about everything.
Or indeed anything.
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Nurse Ratched
2:07 Sun Sep 28
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"...but a sizeable minority expect Cameron to win outright. I was surprised how many thought so (Nurse, take note). "
They're wrong.
How many years has it been? You know I am Right About Everything.
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Infidel
2:03 Sun Sep 28
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Had an interesting dinner last night with various political types (MPs, aides, hacks etc). Cue the usual abuse for pretending to be in the know (which I am not) but here are some of the snippets:
Most expect Milliband to be prime minister after the election, but a sizeable minority expect Cameron to win outright. I was surprised how many thought so (Nurse, take note).
Most think the polls are wrong though and that there will be a 'Kinnock factor' - Labour voters taking fright in the polling booth, not able to put their cross on the paper to make Milliband PM. He really is that bad.
One of Clegg's aides was there. He expects the LibDems to be decimated. Not really news but interesting (and satisfying) to hear how depressed they are at LibDem HQ. They know they are facing oblivion.
Strong rumours that a Labour MP will defect to UKIP soon. Everyone knows who it is in the Westminster village. Will be a big boost to the Tories because it will show UKIP can take votes from Labour, especially using the immigration card which plays well with white Labour voters.
Scotland: Nicola Sturgeon is expected to create a dramatic change in Scotland, capitalising on the anti-Labour sentiment of the Yes voters and gaining up to 20 seats from Labour in the general election. She is very popular in Scotland, even though most of us south of the border see her as a pasty-faced socialist lesbian. Labour has 41 seats in Scotland and it will seriously damage their chances of winning an outright majority.
Cameron will say this week for the first time that he will campaign to leave the EU if he doesn't get concessions from the EU (repatriation of powers to Westminster). This has always been implied in his position but never actually spoken - he's ramping up the rhetoric to 'shoot UKIP's fox'.
There is a move afoot apparently to strike a deal between UKIP and the Tories where UKIP agrees not to field candidates in seats that are close Con v Lab marginals and the Conservatives agree not to field candidates in safe Labour seats, endorsing instead the UKIP candidate. This kind of pact would be a game changer and a disaster for Milliband, but is still a long shot, despite its advantages for both parties.
So many moving parts in the Election next year - it's hardly even sensible making a prediction.
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Nurse Ratched
1:16 Sun Sep 28
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How about, all the male MPs (because these types of stories always seem to be about male MPs) have a group photo taken with their widgers out. Then it'd take the sting out of any future 'scandal'.
Or we could all grow, up about it.
Your call.
And Surf is right.
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1:03 Sun Sep 28
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Any person aspiring to be, or actually, representing people shows a lack of judgement sufficient to exclude them by doing what MP Nomark did. It's as simple as that.
As for fiddling expenses if the culprit does not resign I would expect the electorate and or local party activists to give the thumbs down.
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ray winstone
12:02 Sun Sep 28
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Just saw him on Marr coming out with the same old spiel, fuck me, politics is becoming boring.
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Texas Iron
11:37 Sun Sep 28
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Arrogant Conservative...
Trying to sound Posher in ever speech...
Tautology
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:34 Sun Sep 28
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I don't understand why sending a picture of your kn*b privately to someone who asked you to send it is a resignation matter, but fiddling £48,000 on your expenses isn't.
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Nurse Ratched
2:21 Sun Sep 28
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I had better get some kip to fortify myself against tomorrow's hangover.
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Nurse Ratched
2:12 Sun Sep 28
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...plotting.
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Hammer and Pickle
2:11 Sun Sep 28
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I'd not like to probe the contents, thanks.
It's still hanging there where it was.
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Nurse Ratched
2:08 Sun Sep 28
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Ah.
Abandoned?
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Hammer and Pickle
2:08 Sun Sep 28
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It was a wasp's nest after all.
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